09.29.04

greg at the parish got me thinking…

Posted in culture at 1:59 pm by

Greg at the parish posted this. It sorta got me thinking–I know, that’s not a good habit. But, think I did. It seems that Greg’s “hot, brilliant, hairdresser wife” (as opposed to any other of Greg’s mistresses, I suppose ;) ) ran into a fundy at work who claimed that a Christian had only the one alternative–vote Bush. If that Christian did not then they were not “orthodox.” Greg gives a good treatment over at his 40 blogosphere acres of just what this woman must have meant by “orthodox.” Suffice it to say I think she really meant “born again.”

Any how, I began to ruminate on this issue. This woman’s problem pretty much solely came down to abortion. That was her only real reason for voting republican. I wonder if anyone ever told her that there were lots of republicans out there who were pro-choice? Even one of them who gave a speech at the RNC, albeit in broken english.

This woman even had the gaul to use the phrase, “well, I don’t want innocent blood on my hands.” The inference here is that EVERY liberal is not just pro-choice, but a baby slayer. This is patently ludacris, but let’s go with this line of thinking to expose just how infuriatingly ignorant, dense, thick, moronic, stupid, and assinine it truly is.

So, here we go. If all democrats are baby killers with the innocent blood of aborted children on their hands, the argument is that there is NO difference of opinion in the democratic party or amongst liberals. What this woman also argued was that there is no difference within the republican party. This means that ALL republicans support pro-life causes.

But this shouldn’t just be restricted to the abortion debate, right? If all republicans support pro-life, then all republicans are against gun control…hmmm? ALL republicans are in support the death penalty. ALL republicans support tax breaks to the rich and the downsizing of government programs to help the poor. ALL republicans should then support Bush, arguably the head of one of the shadiest election crews of all time. ALL republicans should be able to get behind Karl Rove in his political scheming, that seeks to portray his candidate in only the most positive of lights, even when that means hiding the truth, and casting shadows on John Kerry, even when that means bearing false witness, and then leaking it to the press. ALL republicans should then support Tom DeLay and his at best nefarious and at worst illegal fundraising activities.

If you couldn’t tell several of these things that ALL republicans are supposed to support go directly AGAINST clearly stated Biblical principle. (Ah, yes, that pesky Bible thing.)

On the other side of the coin ALL democrats support giving generously to the poor, funding education, getting guns and drugs off the streets, not going into an unjust war, international relations, balancing the budget, funding medicare and medicaid…the list could go on almost endlessly. All good things.

Well, this is, in the parlence of our times, complete and utter bullshit. Not ALL, at least I hope not all, republicans believe all of these things. Just like not all democrats are pro-choice. Being a democrat doesn’t mean that you’ll have anybody’s blood on your hands…and as hard as it is for me to admit, it’s quite possible to be a republican and not have blood on your hands as well.

The problem comes in when one group, here a republican supporter, says that I have the blood of thousands of aborted babies on my hands. The same logic could be used to say that she has the blood of thousands of innocent Iraqi men, women, and children.

The difference, the Iraqis were born and wear turbans…and somehow that justifies their killing. So then, I’m left to wonder by this logic, I was born…and, ah, what’s going to be the next clothing style the Bush administration decides to erradicate by lethal force.

The above was sarcasm. This is not what the Bush administration did in Iraq. I have more faith in the system than that, not much more, but that’s just ludacris. But…at the same time that’s the message being sent through all this religious rhetoric, and it’s really starting to piss me off. I mostly just can’t believe that Christian evangelicals would buy a line of reasoning so stupid even Dubya knows it’s crap.

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    Visiting Atheist said,

    September 29, 2004 at 4:17 pm

    Indeed. One hopes that reverence for the unborn won’t come at the expense of exploiting, impoverishing and killing those already born.

    I like the new look, BTW.

    Cheers,
    VA

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    Brandon said,

    September 29, 2004 at 4:20 pm

    Thanks! It took forever for me to settle on something I liked…I’m still warming up to it.

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    rick said,

    September 29, 2004 at 6:00 pm

    Yes, anything is “orthodox” for those in our camp. Are not the heretics always the other guy? Hmmm… seems like humans need an enemy to hate. I wonder whatever happened to the concept of love (agape– respect/honor)your enemy?
    This lady needs a church history book from the local library.

    Great post!
    Rick, a visitor

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    Brandon said,

    September 29, 2004 at 6:18 pm

    Welcome Rick! It’s nice to have you here! Stop back in sometime.

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    greg said,

    September 29, 2004 at 7:24 pm

    I gave her one off my own shelf last night when I caught her poking around the Internet looking for church history sites. No telling where that could lead…

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    greg said,

    September 30, 2004 at 12:05 am

    And now I just realized you were probably talking about the fundy lady. Still, I gave my wife the Church history book, and she seems to be enjoying it. I married her because she’s brilliant, after all.

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    Just Pat said,

    September 30, 2004 at 7:33 am

    I love how you’ve landscaped your yard, BC.

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    Brandon said,

    September 30, 2004 at 7:51 am

    Why thank you, JustPat!

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greg at the parish got me thinking…

Posted in culture at 1:59 pm by

Greg at the parish posted this. It sorta got me thinking–I know, that’s not a good habit. But, think I did. It seems that Greg’s “hot, brilliant, hairdresser wife” (as opposed to any other of Greg’s mistresses, I suppose ;) ) ran into a fundy at work who claimed that a Christian had only the one alternative–vote Bush. If that Christian did not then they were not “orthodox.” Greg gives a good treatment over at his 40 blogosphere acres of just what this woman must have meant by “orthodox.” Suffice it to say I think she really meant “born again.”

Any how, I began to ruminate on this issue. This woman’s problem pretty much solely came down to abortion. That was her only real reason for voting republican. I wonder if anyone ever told her that there were lots of republicans out there who were pro-choice? Even one of them who gave a speech at the RNC, albeit in broken english.

This woman even had the gaul to use the phrase, “well, I don’t want innocent blood on my hands.” The inference here is that EVERY liberal is not just pro-choice, but a baby slayer. This is patently ludacris, but let’s go with this line of thinking to expose just how infuriatingly ignorant, dense, thick, moronic, stupid, and assinine it truly is.

So, here we go. If all democrats are baby killers with the innocent blood of aborted children on their hands, the argument is that there is NO difference of opinion in the democratic party or amongst liberals. What this woman also argued was that there is no difference within the republican party. This means that ALL republicans support pro-life causes.

But this shouldn’t just be restricted to the abortion debate, right? If all republicans support pro-life, then all republicans are against gun control…hmmm? ALL republicans are in support the death penalty. ALL republicans support tax breaks to the rich and the downsizing of government programs to help the poor. ALL republicans should then support Bush, arguably the head of one of the shadiest election crews of all time. ALL republicans should be able to get behind Karl Rove in his political scheming, that seeks to portray his candidate in only the most positive of lights, even when that means hiding the truth, and casting shadows on John Kerry, even when that means bearing false witness, and then leaking it to the press. ALL republicans should then support Tom DeLay and his at best nefarious and at worst illegal fundraising activities.

If you couldn’t tell several of these things that ALL republicans are supposed to support go directly AGAINST clearly stated Biblical principle. (Ah, yes, that pesky Bible thing.)

On the other side of the coin ALL democrats support giving generously to the poor, funding education, getting guns and drugs off the streets, not going into an unjust war, international relations, balancing the budget, funding medicare and medicaid…the list could go on almost endlessly. All good things.

Well, this is, in the parlence of our times, complete and utter bullshit. Not ALL, at least I hope not all, republicans believe all of these things. Just like not all democrats are pro-choice. Being a democrat doesn’t mean that you’ll have anybody’s blood on your hands…and as hard as it is for me to admit, it’s quite possible to be a republican and not have blood on your hands as well.

The problem comes in when one group, here a republican supporter, says that I have the blood of thousands of aborted babies on my hands. The same logic could be used to say that she has the blood of thousands of innocent Iraqi men, women, and children.

The difference, the Iraqis were born and wear turbans…and somehow that justifies their killing. So then, I’m left to wonder by this logic, I was born…and, ah, what’s going to be the next clothing style the Bush administration decides to erradicate by lethal force.

The above was sarcasm. This is not what the Bush administration did in Iraq. I have more faith in the system than that, not much more, but that’s just ludacris. But…at the same time that’s the message being sent through all this religious rhetoric, and it’s really starting to piss me off. I mostly just can’t believe that Christian evangelicals would buy a line of reasoning so stupid even Dubya knows it’s crap.

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    Visiting Atheist said,

    September 29, 2004 at 4:17 pm

    Indeed. One hopes that reverence for the unborn won’t come at the expense of exploiting, impoverishing and killing those already born.

    I like the new look, BTW.

    Cheers,
    VA

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    Brandon said,

    September 29, 2004 at 4:20 pm

    Thanks! It took forever for me to settle on something I liked…I’m still warming up to it.

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    rick said,

    September 29, 2004 at 6:00 pm

    Yes, anything is “orthodox” for those in our camp. Are not the heretics always the other guy? Hmmm… seems like humans need an enemy to hate. I wonder whatever happened to the concept of love (agape– respect/honor)your enemy?
    This lady needs a church history book from the local library.

    Great post!
    Rick, a visitor

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    Brandon said,

    September 29, 2004 at 6:18 pm

    Welcome Rick! It’s nice to have you here! Stop back in sometime.

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    greg said,

    September 29, 2004 at 7:24 pm

    I gave her one off my own shelf last night when I caught her poking around the Internet looking for church history sites. No telling where that could lead…

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    greg said,

    September 30, 2004 at 12:05 am

    And now I just realized you were probably talking about the fundy lady. Still, I gave my wife the Church history book, and she seems to be enjoying it. I married her because she’s brilliant, after all.

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    Just Pat said,

    September 30, 2004 at 7:33 am

    I love how you’ve landscaped your yard, BC.

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    Brandon said,

    September 30, 2004 at 7:51 am

    Why thank you, JustPat!

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